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Post by Let em go. on Jun 10, 2015 13:28:14 GMT -5
Either way, One in the same person. I take that as an incredible compliment to be told that I sound like Jim. He may not like it though. I love it that you completely skirted every statement I made about being restricted from shooting your spike horns and went straight on the attack again but yet you have absolutely nothing to stand on besides you want to continue killing young bucks at your leisure. I bet you voted for Obama too didnt you. While you guys are over here taking personal attacks on me, I have never once attacked you personally or even mentioned your name or group on my page. Not once. Nor will I in the future. I think this speaks loud and clear as to your character and to who is really the desperate one here.
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Post by fieldnfeathers on Jun 10, 2015 13:39:38 GMT -5
Either way, One in the same person. I take that as an incredible compliment to be told that I sound like Jim. He may not like it though. I love it that you completely skirted every statement I made about being restricted from shooting your spike horns and went straight on the attack again but yet you have absolutely nothing to stand on besides you want to continue killing young bucks at your leisure. I bet you voted for Obama too didnt you. While you guys are over here taking personal attacks on me, I have never once attacked you personally or even mentioned your name or group on my page. Not once. Nor will I in the future. I think this speaks loud and clear as to your character and to who is really the desperate one here. It's been going on since day one here, Lincoln. You just happen to be next on the list. With 139 and 208 Facebook likes respectively, against your 5000, I wouldn't sweat it one bit. Keep taking the high road with them and others who push your buttons. |
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Post by QDM MARS on Jun 10, 2015 13:40:28 GMT -5
Either way, One in the same person. I take that as an incredible compliment to be told that I sound like Jim. He may not like it though. I love it that you completely skirted every statement I made about being restricted from shooting your spike horns and went straight on the attack again but yet you have absolutely nothing to stand on besides you want to continue killing young bucks at your leisure. I bet you voted for Obama too didnt you. While you guys are over here taking personal attacks on me, I have never once attacked you personally or even mentioned your name or group on my page. Not once. Nor will I in the future. I think this speaks loud and clear as to your character and to who is really the desperate one here.
Lets get this clear I called out your dishonesty that MARs would create a deer hunting mecca so you and others wouldn't have to go to other states and I am not Curtis, GET IT ! You posting about death threats and just about everything in the post quoted show quite well who you are 
I do not see where any one skirted your claim of being restricted . You just don't like the answer.
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Post by fieldnfeathers on Jun 10, 2015 13:44:07 GMT -5
139 buddy. 139. Enough said.
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Post by fieldnfeathers on Jun 10, 2015 13:51:00 GMT -5
This will be the second time I have told you that I don't play those games FF  I started that thread you are speaking of and put it on the open board where even guests can reply. So get over it or take it to that thread (for now) as I haven't decided if it will last or not yet (The open board staying open for guests to post) Lets be honest. You put it there so non-members could be aware of your current "witch hunt". Otherwise, it would have been in the Smart talk forums where you could willy nilly talk about people behind their backs. I don't really care what you do with it, although I have a prudent suggestion as to what you could "do" with it. |
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Post by Let em go. on Jun 10, 2015 14:18:19 GMT -5
Let me get one thing straight here. I have never lied to ANYONE about the data that has been collected by the DNR. They collected it not me. We simply used the data to prove that APRs work and do exactly what they are designed to do and that is allow approximately 50% of yearling bucks to make it to the ripe old age of 2 and a few more bucks to get to 3 and 4 respectively. That is it. This makes our herd more diverse and healthier. SO what if they have larger antlers because of it. There are hundreds of articles by professions that back this up as well. As for the social end of this, it also makes for much higher hunter satisfaction levels. How is using actual data gathered by the DNR lying to anyone? As far as why I am not heading to the NW12 to hunt, that is simple. The APRs are very new. Leelanau County didn't get to where it is today over night. It will take a few years. Also the timing of 2 sever winters back to back obviously has had a negative effect on the herd. Nothing any of us can do about that. My last reason is because the guys that are lucky enough to be able to hunt in that zone would rather not have me and bunch of down staters come up and over run them, anymore then I would want that if the shoe was on the other foot. Unlike the Anti QDM/APR guys lining up on our line opening morning to shoot the small bucks that we have let go. Seriously, is it so bad to have to pass up a few bucks every year so they can get one or more years older? A large buck is celebrated. Why are you making it out to be a crime to want to harvest better bucks? Why??? That is why we can't sleep the night before the season opens isn't it? I don't know about you but I don't dream about a big ol spike horn walking up out of the cedar swamp. I dream of a large racked mossy horn. If we can do this and its better for our herd then why are you so against it? Nobody is taking any liberties away from you.
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Post by Dale Malusi on Jun 10, 2015 15:29:31 GMT -5
Either way, One in the same person. I take that as an incredible compliment to be told that I sound like Jim. He may not like it though. I love it that you completely skirted every statement I made about being restricted from shooting your spike horns and went straight on the attack again but yet you have absolutely nothing to stand on besides you want to continue killing young bucks at your leisure. I bet you voted for Obama too didnt you. While you guys are over here taking personal attacks on me, I have never once attacked you personally or even mentioned your name or group on my page. Not once. Nor will I in the future. I think this speaks loud and clear as to your character and to who is really the desperate one here. It's been going on since day one here, Lincoln. You just happen to be next on the list. With 139 and 208 Facebook likes respectively, against your 5000, I wouldn't sweat it one bit. Keep taking the high road with them and others who push your buttons. FnF, that is the kind of ridicule you see on high school kids FB pages, grow up. You see, I could give a flock about how many likes anything has on FB, we went through this when the lpdmi was so into FB and their thousands. It means absolutely nothing to me. Obviously it has merits to you, go for it. Remember how the MAPR proposals went? As for his being slandered, I doubt it. Look it up. Never happened. |
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Post by Dale Malusi on Jun 10, 2015 15:32:54 GMT -5
Let me get one thing straight here. I have never lied to ANYONE about the data that has been collected by the DNR. They collected it not me. We simply used the data to prove that APRs work and do exactly what they are designed to do and that is allow approximately 50% of yearling bucks to make it to the ripe old age of 2 and a few more bucks to get to 3 and 4 respectively. That is it. This makes our herd more diverse and healthier. SO what if they have larger antlers because of it. There are hundreds of articles by professions that back this up as well. As for the social end of this, it also makes for much higher hunter satisfaction levels. How is using actual data gathered by the DNR lying to anyone? As far as why I am not heading to the NW12 to hunt, that is simple. The APRs are very new. Leelanau County didn't get to where it is today over night. It will take a few years. Also the timing of 2 sever winters back to back obviously has had a negative effect on the herd. Nothing any of us can do about that. My last reason is because the guys that are lucky enough to be able to hunt in that zone would rather not have me and bunch of down staters come up and over run them, anymore then I would want that if the shoe was on the other foot. Unlike the Anti QDM/APR guys lining up on our line opening morning to shoot the small bucks that we have let go. Seriously, is it so bad to have to pass up a few bucks every year so they can get one or more years older? A large buck is celebrated. Why are you making it out to be a crime to want to harvest better bucks? Why??? That is why we can't sleep the night before the season opens isn't it? I don't know about you but I don't dream about a big ol spike horn walking up out of the cedar swamp. I dream of a large racked mossy horn. If we can do this and its better for our herd then why are you so against it? Nobody is taking any liberties away from you. Lincoln So much wrong here and so little time to waste. Especially on someone so narrow minded. I SAY BAN THEM ALL!!! Just kidding. |
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Post by Let em go on Jun 10, 2015 15:49:56 GMT -5
We sure do remember how it went. 62% of approved and 38% disapproved. No where in any democratic society do you need 66% for something to pass. If you knew anything about statistics you would would know that you will get the same results +/- 1% if you survey 2000 people or 200,000 people. That is a fact. They call Presidential elections on exit polls of 2000 people. You obviously would debate that into the ground as miss-information as well I am sure. Even though it is a fact. You are delusional. Which means "A false belief held despite strong evidence against it; self-deception." There is a mountain of evidence supporting APRs but you refuse to see the truth. All you can do to refute is say you don't have time to go into it. I have wasted enough time on you today so good day Sir.
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Post by fieldnfeathers on Jun 10, 2015 16:02:48 GMT -5
It's been going on since day one here, Lincoln. You just happen to be next on the list. With 139 and 208 Facebook likes respectively, against your 5000, I wouldn't sweat it one bit. Keep taking the high road with them and others who push your buttons. FnF, that is the kind of ridicule you see on high school kids FB pages, grow up. You see, I could give a flock about how many likes anything has on FB, we went through this when the lpdmi was so into FB and their thousands. It means absolutely nothing to me. Obviously it has merits to you, go for it. Remember how the MAPR proposals went? As for his being slandered, I doubt it. Look it up. Never happened. You and a few others on this site are in no position to lecture anyone on maturity level. As far as looking it up..give us all a break. It's obvious what the entire intention of this thread was/is. Follow up statements made by a few of you directed at what Lincoln said APR's would create are both patently false and an attempt to mislead your readers. More of the same from a few of you, and not unexpected. High school indeed. |
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Post by Dale Malusi on Jun 10, 2015 16:19:02 GMT -5
FnF, that is the kind of ridicule you see on high school kids FB pages, grow up. You see, I could give a flock about how many likes anything has on FB, we went through this when the lpdmi was so into FB and their thousands. It means absolutely nothing to me. Obviously it has merits to you, go for it. Remember how the MAPR proposals went? As for his being slandered, I doubt it. Look it up. Never happened. You and a few others on this site are in no position to lecture anyone on maturity level. As far as looking it up..give us all a break. It's obvious what the entire intention of this thread was/is. Follow up statements made by a few of you directed at what Lincoln said APR's would create are both patently false and an attempt to mislead your readers. More of the same from a few of you, and not unexpected. High school indeed. What is so obvious is that you are holding onto your false believe that Mapr's are going to make hunting better. And that they have a future. |
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Post by Dale Malusi on Jun 10, 2015 16:24:38 GMT -5
We sure do remember how it went. 62% of approved and 38% disapproved. No where in any democratic society do you need 66% for something to pass. If you knew anything about statistics you would would know that you will get the same results +/- 1% if you survey 2000 people or 200,000 people. That is a fact. They call Presidential elections on exit polls of 2000 people. You obviously would debate that into the ground as miss-information as well I am sure. Even though it is a fact. You are delusional. Which means "A false belief held despite strong evidence against it; self-deception." There is a mountain of evidence supporting APRs but you refuse to see the truth. All you can do to refute is say you don't have time to go into it. I have wasted enough time on you today so good day Sir. If you knew anything about surveys you would know they are different from elections. Look up random surveys and stratified surveys. Then get back to me. 65 percent approval on a non random stratified survey still isn't a majority of the people. Look it up and get back to me. |
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Post by fieldnfeathers on Jun 10, 2015 16:30:34 GMT -5
You and a few others on this site are in no position to lecture anyone on maturity level. As far as looking it up..give us all a break. It's obvious what the entire intention of this thread was/is. Follow up statements made by a few of you directed at what Lincoln said APR's would create are both patently false and an attempt to mislead your readers. More of the same from a few of you, and not unexpected. High school indeed. What is so obvious is that you are holding onto your false believe that Mapr's are going to make hunting better. And that they have a future. APR's do make hunting better. That's a fact. As far as the future of them....I don't see any new ones happening anytime soon, if ever, given our current CWD finding. I can accept that. |
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Post by Dale Malusi on Jun 10, 2015 16:37:25 GMT -5
Better is a very vague word, don't you think.
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Post by fieldnfeathers on Jun 10, 2015 16:49:55 GMT -5
Better is a very vague word, don't you think. Nope. "Better" can be measured. Hunter approval of APR's would not have increased if they had not perceived their hunting as "better". That's the facts. But, I digress. This forum is not for debating APR's. I suggest you do the same. |
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Post by Dale Malusi on Jun 10, 2015 17:06:25 GMT -5
Better is a very vague word, don't you think. Nope. "Better" can be measured. Hunter approval of APR's would not have increased if they had not perceived their hunting as "better". That's the facts. But, I digress. This forum is not for debating APR's. I suggest you do the same. But better is such subjective word I don't think you would see it on any legislative agenda or anything up for a public vote. Why keep that mantra? As far as you suggesting what I do here or anywhere else................................. |
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Post by fieldnfeathers on Jun 10, 2015 17:14:19 GMT -5
As far as you suggesting what I do here or anywhere else................................. Ok tough guy. |
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Post by Dale Malusi on Jun 10, 2015 17:34:22 GMT -5
No tough guy here, I just thought I'd let you use your imagination.
I see where you are coming from.
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Post by Let end go on Jun 10, 2015 19:16:19 GMT -5
dead head - be very proud of what you do here. As you advocate for holding Michigan back to the 19th century you can be proud that you have fought for what you believe in. As you look at your box full of spike horns and your freezer full of yearling buck venison be proud that nobody told you what to shoot. Be proud that you were unwilling to even entertain trying something new to see if it could possibly make this state a better place to hunt. Be proud, be proud that you are so scared of change that you might not be able to keep up and harvest a buck that has seen 2 winters.
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Post by Dale Malusi on Jun 10, 2015 20:11:58 GMT -5
dead head - be very proud of what you do here. As you advocate for holding Michigan back to the 19th century you can be proud that you have fought for what you believe in. As you look at your box full of spike horns and your freezer full of yearling buck venison be proud that nobody told you what to shoot. Be proud that you were unwilling to even entertain trying something new to see if it could possibly make this state a better place to hunt. Be proud, be proud that you are so scared of change that you might not be able to keep up and harvest a buck that has seen 2 winters. Dude, stay out of my garage. You are so full of yourself you reek. Not even close describing me. You need a break from social media. They are brainwashing you, what is left of it anyway. |
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Post by yesdeer on Jun 10, 2015 21:55:55 GMT -5
Wow, guess I missed the point of hunting deer completely. All these years I thought filling the freezer with meat was the goal...geez, now I guess we will have to survive on toothpicks and water and feel good that we let the ONLY deer we have seen while hunting go because somebody who doesn't hunt here said we had too and that we should be ashamed of ourselves for shooting anything less than a trophy worthy buck. I'm sorry but I guess I don't understand why someone who doesn't hunt here can start a movement to regulate my local hunting based on their beliefs. Deer hunting should be for recreation and for the meat, if that isn't why you do it then you do it your way and I will do it mine. Feeding my family is more important than feeding your ego. As for doehead and his garage? Just what are those strange noises that have been heard in there?
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Post by QDM MARS on Jun 10, 2015 23:14:02 GMT -5
We sure do remember how it went. 62% of approved and 38% disapproved. No where in any democratic society do you need 66% for something to pass. If you knew anything about statistics you would would know that you will get the same results +/- 1% if you survey 2000 people or 200,000 people. That is a fact. They call Presidential elections on exit polls of 2000 people. You obviously would debate that into the ground as miss-information as well I am sure. Even though it is a fact. You are delusional. Which means "A false belief held despite strong evidence against it; self-deception." There is a mountain of evidence supporting APRs but you refuse to see the truth. There is a mountain of evidence supporting APRs but you refuse to see the truth. All you can do to refute is say you don't have time to go into it. I have wasted enough time on you today so good day Sir. "We sure do remember how it went. 62% of approved and 38% disapproved. No where in any democratic society do you need 66% for something to pass. If you knew anything about statistics you would would know that you will get the same results +/- 1% if you survey 2000 people or 200,000 people. That is a fact. "
Here is something to ponder , in a random survey (the QDM survey is not random) done by the DNR, the support for MARs on a state wide basis was only 46%
" Hunters were nearly equally divided in opinion about regionalantler-point restrictions (46% supported and 45% opposed these regional restrictions)." 
Another thing to think about is the major infomercial and big billboards that went along with that survey that made all kinds of unsubstantiated claims of the benefits from MARs if hunters just voted yes  You know Vince sold a lot of those sham-WOWS and slap choppers with infomercials like that
"There is a mountain of evidence supporting APRs but you refuse to see the truth."
The reality is the exact opposite of what you are trying to make people believe . Mars have been around for a long time and have a long track record of not performing the way it has been claimed they will. Even the success in Leelanau is suspect with the tainting of the data by allowing the sponsoring group to push the collection of the data and even collecting much of it them selves ;)The same with the Clare data etc.
Here is a video on the repeated failure of MARs to perform the way they have been advertised over the last 70 years . All data has the source in blue so you can fact check it 
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Post by QDM MARS on Jun 10, 2015 23:59:34 GMT -5
Let me get one thing straight here. I have never lied to ANYONE about the data that has been collected by the DNR. They collected it not me. We simply used the data to prove that APRs work and do exactly what they are designed to do and that is allow approximately 50% of yearling bucks to make it to the ripe old age of 2 and a few more bucks to get to 3 and 4 respectively. That is it. This makes our herd more diverse and healthier. SO what if they have larger antlers because of it. There are hundreds of articles by professions that back this up as well. As for the social end of this, it also makes for much higher hunter satisfaction levels. How is using actual data gathered by the DNR lying to anyone? As far as why I am not heading to the NW12 to hunt, that is simple. The APRs are very new. Leelanau County didn't get to where it is today over night. It will take a few years. Also the timing of 2 sever winters back to back obviously has had a negative effect on the herd. Nothing any of us can do about that. My last reason is because the guys that are lucky enough to be able to hunt in that zone would rather not have me and bunch of down staters come up and over run them, anymore then I would want that if the shoe was on the other foot. Unlike the Anti QDM/APR guys lining up on our line opening morning to shoot the small bucks that we have let go. Seriously, is it so bad to have to pass up a few bucks every year so they can get one or more years older? A large buck is celebrated. Why are you making it out to be a crime to want to harvest better bucks? Why??? That is why we can't sleep the night before the season opens isn't it? I don't know about you but I don't dream about a big ol spike horn walking up out of the cedar swamp. I dream of a large racked mossy horn. If we can do this and its better for our herd then why are you so against it? Nobody is taking any liberties away from you. Lincoln
I have never lied to ANYONE about the data that has been collected by the DNR. They collected it not me. We simply used the data to prove that APRs work
Nothing wrong with the data, what is wrong is the way it was used and the resulting claims.
The APRs are very new. Leelanau County didn't get to where it is today over night. It will take a few years
And yet we were told it would just be one year .........see where the dishonesty comes in?
Also the timing of 2 sever winters back to back obviously has had a negative effect on the herd. Nothing any of us can do about that.
Yes we did have ONE bad winter but again we were assured that even a severe winter wouldn't dampen the wonderful effects coming our way due to mars in in effort to get people to vote yes on them.........so more untruthfulness on the part of you guys 
My last reason is because the guys that are lucky enough to be able to hunt in that zone would rather not have me and bunch of down staters come up and over run them, anymore then I would want that if the shoe was on the other foot
Ok now your just making stuff up  You really don't expect any one to take that seriously do you ?
BTW: Lots of lightly hunted public land in the NWLP for the MARs crowd to take advantage of .........if they really believe what they have been preaching 
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Post by daappleknocker on Jun 11, 2015 6:45:47 GMT -5
I am Curtis Stone. Who will I see in Monroe today? |
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Post by Dale Malusi on Jun 11, 2015 8:21:31 GMT -5
Wow, guess I missed the point of hunting deer completely. All these years I thought filling the freezer with meat was the goal...geez, now I guess we will have to survive on toothpicks and water and feel good that we let the ONLY deer we have seen while hunting go because somebody who doesn't hunt here said we had too and that we should be ashamed of ourselves for shooting anything less than a trophy worthy buck. I'm sorry but I guess I don't understand why someone who doesn't hunt here can start a movement to regulate my local hunting based on their beliefs. Deer hunting should be for recreation and for the meat, if that isn't why you do it then you do it your way and I will do it mine. Feeding my family is more important than feeding your ego.e As for doehead and his garag? Just what are those strange noises that have been heard in there? "It's 10 pm do you know where your cats are?" Hopefully not in my garage. Yesdeer, they missed the point. For me it's not about what's on top of a deers head, I can let small deer walk . Been doing it for years. For me it's standing up to arrogant know-it-alls that have to tell me my opinions are wrong. When they realize they can't change my mind, they turn into playground bullies and do what the can to belittle me. All that does is inspire me. We must be a threat, they are still here. |
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Post by fieldnfeathers on Jun 11, 2015 9:03:17 GMT -5
Wow, guess I missed the point of hunting deer completely. All these years I thought filling the freezer with meat was the goal...geez, now I guess we will have to survive on toothpicks and water and feel good that we let the ONLY deer we have seen while hunting go because somebody who doesn't hunt here said we had too and that we should be ashamed of ourselves for shooting anything less than a trophy worthy buck. I'm sorry but I guess I don't understand why someone who doesn't hunt here can start a movement to regulate my local hunting based on their beliefs. Deer hunting should be for recreation and for the meat, if that isn't why you do it then you do it your way and I will do it mine. Feeding my family is more important than feeding your ego.e As for doehead and his garag? Just what are those strange noises that have been heard in there? "It's 10 pm do you know where your cats are?" Hopefully not in my garage. Yesdeer, they missed the point. For me it's not about what's on top of a deers head, I can let small deer walk . Been doing it for years. For me it's standing up to arrogant know-it-alls that have to tell me my opinions are wrong. When they realize they can't change my mind, they turn into playground bullies and do what the can to belittle me. All that does is inspire me. We must be a threat, they are still here. No threat. It's for entertainment value. Last I checked, this thread was about others being attacked not others attacking you. Have a great day. |
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Post by Dale Malusi on Jun 11, 2015 10:08:53 GMT -5
Title of this thread; "Pro MARs crowd unhappy with the results of MARs."
No attack in the title.
I know you aren't happy, so you would take it personal and call it an attack.
Remember your tough guy remark?............You have a chip on your shoulder, not me. I'm enjoying life, you should too.
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Post by hartman756 on Jun 11, 2015 10:17:45 GMT -5
This is WAAYYYY to funny! His excuse for not traveling a few miles north to hunt in the NWLP big buck mecca (their claims of what MARs would create after the first year ) is so he wont crowd the locals (you know being the "better" guy like the MARs crowd always claims to be) in the NWLP but he will travel hundreds of miles and spend thousands of dollars to crowd the hunters in Iowa
How does that saying go .............oh yah I remember it is "you just can't make this stuff up"
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Post by fieldnfeathers on Jun 11, 2015 10:58:03 GMT -5
Title of this thread; "Pro MARs crowd unhappy with the results of MARs." No attack in the title. I know you aren't happy, so you would take it personal and call it an attack. Remember your tough guy remark?............You have a chip on your shoulder, not me. I'm enjoying life, you should too. No, actually, I dont. The title of the thread is irrelevant. The first post set the tone, and was an attack on someone. It didn't attack you at all. As far as your enjoying life jab. What's not to enjoy? I have a 6 figure income, great wife and family, live in a sunny and warm climate, and own 100+ acres of prime deer hunting land in Michigan. My life is quite enjoyable, but thank you for your "concern". I think you've confused my intolerance for ignorance as having a "chip on my shoulder". Enjoy your day. |
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Post by jimmer on Jun 11, 2015 12:43:33 GMT -5
You really think that? If so than maybe Lincoln and Clay etc. shouldn't have posted what they did. I shows they will NEVER be happy with Michigan .
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I started that thread you are speaking of and put it on the open board where even guests can reply. So get over it or take it to that thread (for now) as I haven't decided if it will last or not yet (The open board staying open for guests to post)
You know Vince sold a lot of those sham-WOWS and slap choppers with infomercials like that 
You really don't expect any one to take that seriously do you ?
