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Post by Dale Malusi on Feb 9, 2017 22:54:18 GMT -5
The decision has already been made my fellow errant nimrods.
Those pushing for more restrictive deer hunting regulations now have a properly vetted membership of 21,000 Facebook followers.
21,000 vs 21, I would say we are outnumbered.
The only thing is that there are only seven people that have the last word.
Or is there......
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Post by daappleknocker on Feb 10, 2017 6:49:47 GMT -5
Lincoln made that claim at the NRC meeting yesterday and was immediately shot down by Christine Crumbaugh when she noted that many Facebook users friend a site to watch the conversation and NOT to support the agenda of the page. |
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Post by hartman756 on Feb 10, 2017 10:51:56 GMT -5
Lincoln made that claim at the NRC meeting yesterday and was immediately shot down by Christine Crumbaugh when she noted that many Facebook users friend a site to watch the conversation and NOT to support the agenda of the page. The success or non success of a facebook page has much more to do with the marketing of said page than those following being in agreement of said page. Facebook is all about how much $ you want to spend to have your page advertised . Facebook has many plans where you can "buy" traffic for your page depending on how much you have to spend. |
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Post by daappleknocker on Feb 10, 2017 11:32:02 GMT -5
756, yea, I tried that once and was getting responses from all over the country and a few around the world. I wish there was a way to keep the ads inside Michigan I think it would help get the word out. I can guarantee that any Facebook page that grows as fast as Let em go, the majority don't even know what they liked. LOL |
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Post by swampy on Feb 10, 2017 11:41:17 GMT -5
How do you properly vet members on Facebook. This whole Facebook thing is rediculous. The day that we allow a Facebook popularity contest to determine public policy, will be a sad day for all of us.
Just for scale, HSUS has 2.5 million Facebook members.
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Post by Dale Malusi on Feb 10, 2017 14:48:19 GMT -5
How do you properly vet members on Facebook. This whole Facebook thing is rediculous. The day that we allow a Facebook popularity contest to determine public policy, will be a sad day for all of us. Just for scale, HSUS has 2.5 million Facebook members. You don't. Bio is talking out of his posterior and as always, expects everyone to just believe him. When E.F. Hutton speaks.... Remember how powerful the Limpd's claimed their facebook page was? All you heard was they had 4000 members we had 200, they were rolling us over and putting us under. What did that get them? Glad to hear the NRC isn't buying into it. |
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Post by otto on Feb 11, 2017 12:23:17 GMT -5
The way the page works is as so....
Prior to it being a private group anyone could join.
At 8000 members it became private in order to prevent those who are against aprs from creating arguments.
Since then 13000 members have joined.
Once you ask to join they verify you are from Michigan and find out who you know.
Such as if you are Facebook friends with certain known members.....such as Jim Brauker for example.
Once they feel you are liget they allow you to join.
The page has never paid to boost or promote the page. It has all been word of mouth.
Yes there are some who are not highly active members. Yes there are some who do not fully support aprs. Yes there are some who are there just for conversation.
But the majority of the members support aprs and are there to support the cause.
As Lincoln says eventually the turds float to the top and they are removed.
Many members know who you guys are or who other anti apr people are and inform the mods and have them removed.
Such as what happened to Carl.....swampy.
He floated to the top and I spotted him.
Banned minutes later.
Unlike the SMART page, this website or MSF there are literally thousands of members there to discuss APR's, doe management, hunting tactics, food plots, etc. If you do not behave you do not last long.
Yes there are in house arguments.
Yes there are a few who do not support the mission statement and think like trophy hunters.
But most understand that supporting a 3 point apr is the first step into progressing further into buck management.
Yes antlers are important to the group.
Yes there are some who are confused on proper deer biology and herd dynamics.
For the most part though many have and can learn to become better educated.
Second. Regulations are not to be decided by a Facebook popularity contest.
The whole point of that topic is to show the overwhelming support for change.
We can compare our page to every opposition page or website to show the huge difference in members and activity.
Social media is a huge factor in today's world.
Many companies use social media for promotion.
What easier way is there to promote?
If you have a product or idea that is popular your page will grow naturally and quickly such as what has happened with the let em grow page.
It is and should be an eye opener to the dnr and nrc that hunters want change. Yes the powners that be need to use sound science to insure any social regs will not be detrimental to the resource.
But they should use "popularity" as to if changes should be made granted they are not detrimental.
The argument that aprs are destroying tradition is blown out of the water based on the sheer numbers of those pushing for a change.
The future of hunting is the young hunters and it's the young hunters who are pushing for change. We can't expect the slowly diminishing generations to be in control of what the future hunters want.
Social media is full of hunters chasing and growing big bucks not deer camps and spike bucks.
MSF used to be a very popular site.
The fact it's become nothing more than the same 25 guys arguing over aprs or cwd with very little new topics or educational topics to help hunters become better has caused many to quit visiting that site.
You all can discredit the social media aspect but I warn you......better look both ways before you cross the tracks. The change train is coming and moving fast.
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Post by QDM MARS on Feb 11, 2017 17:00:26 GMT -5
So what kind of numbers are we talking about that have been banned since the page was started (from day one not since it went private ) ? We talking a few , 10'S , 100's, or more than that ?
One also can't solely base support or non support for something based off the number of people joining a facebook page . That number is based more on the promotion of the page (paid or not ) and little to do with the support or non support of the subject of the page.
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Post by otto on Feb 11, 2017 18:24:15 GMT -5
So what kind of numbers are we talking about that have been banned since the page was started (from day one not since it went private ) ? We talking a few , 10'S , 100's, or more than that ? One also can't solely base support or non support for something based off the number of people joining a facebook page . That number is based more on the promotion of the page (paid or not ) and little to do with the support or non support of the subject of the page. Less than 100 banned and most due to their attitude not their opinion. I agree you can't solely base support off a facebook page but it factors in. |
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Post by jbrown on Feb 11, 2017 19:45:59 GMT -5
You stated that most hunters want change??? Please tell me why I want your changes effecting how I hunt my place.. so far as I'm concerned if change is what you want then do what dr deer did and buy 26k acres fence it and hunt your own deer.. why force it on everyone??? I like shooting bone as much as anyone but I leave the state to do it
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Post by Dale Malusi on Feb 11, 2017 20:12:24 GMT -5
The way the page works is as so.... Prior to it being a private group anyone could join. At 8000 members it became private in order to prevent those who are against aprs from creating arguments. Since then 13000 members have joined. Once you ask to join they verify you are from Michigan and find out who you know. Such as if you are Facebook friends with certain known members.....such as Jim Brauker for example. Once they feel you are liget they allow you to join. The page has never paid to boost or promote the page. It has all been word of mouth. Yes there are some who are not highly active members. Yes there are some who do not fully support aprs. Yes there are some who are there just for conversation. But the majority of the members support aprs and are there to support the cause. As Lincoln says eventually the turds float to the top and they are removed. Many members know who you guys are or who other anti apr people are and inform the mods and have them removed. Such as what happened to Carl.....swampy. He floated to the top and I spotted him. Banned minutes later. Unlike the SMART page, this website or MSF there are literally thousands of members there to discuss APR's, doe management, hunting tactics, food plots, etc. If you do not behave you do not last long. Yes there are in house arguments. Yes there are a few who do not support the mission statement and think like trophy hunters. But most understand that supporting a 3 point apr is the first step into progressing further into buck management. Yes antlers are important to the group. Yes there are some who are confused on proper deer biology and herd dynamics. For the most part though many have and can learn to become better educated. Second. Regulations are not to be decided by a Facebook popularity contest. The whole point of that topic is to show the overwhelming support for change. We can compare our page to every opposition page or website to show the huge difference in members and activity. Social media is a huge factor in today's world. Many companies use social media for promotion. What easier way is there to promote? If you have a product or idea that is popular your page will grow naturally and quickly such as what has happened with the let em grow page. It is and should be an eye opener to the dnr and nrc that hunters want change. Yes the powners that be need to use sound science to insure any social regs will not be detrimental to the resource. But they should use "popularity" as to if changes should be made granted they are not detrimental. The argument that aprs are destroying tradition is blown out of the water based on the sheer numbers of those pushing for a change. The future of hunting is the young hunters and it's the young hunters who are pushing for change. We can't expect the slowly diminishing generations to be in control of what the future hunters want. Social media is full of hunters chasing and growing big bucks not deer camps and spike bucks. MSF used to be a very popular site. The fact it's become nothing more than the same 25 guys arguing over aprs or cwd with very little new topics or educational topics to help hunters become better has caused many to quit visiting that site. You all can discredit the social media aspect but I warn you......better look both ways before you cross the tracks. The change train is coming and moving fast. I refuse to read your """""t post and believe any of it until you post your Facebook name Tom. I dislike internet trolls. I have been bitten too many times Tom. ATTN board admin: you may want to revoke my banning privileges on this one, I smell bull shed here. |
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Post by Dale Malusi on Feb 11, 2017 20:56:50 GMT -5
I refuse to read your """""t post and believe any of it until you post your Facebook name Tom. I dislike internet trolls. I have been bitten too many times Tom. ATTN board admin: you may want to revoke my banning privileges on this one, I smell bull shed here. Too funny. Can't fight the message, so you attempt to "shoot" the messenger. Typical. Jim, you and Tom have outworn your welcome with me. I will prove it's Tom like I did you. How can you maintain credibility behind repeatedly changing anonymity? |
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Post by QDM MARS on Feb 11, 2017 20:56:51 GMT -5
I refuse to read your """""t post and believe any of it until you post your Facebook name Tom. I dislike internet trolls. I have been bitten too many times Tom. ATTN board admin: you may want to revoke my banning privileges on this one, I smell bull shed here. Doehead Not sure if you are serious or not . If you are serious I can do it and always change it back later when you want.
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Post by Dale Malusi on Feb 11, 2017 20:58:19 GMT -5
I am serious.
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Post by Dale Malusi on Feb 11, 2017 21:08:45 GMT -5
Jim, you and Tom have outworn your welcome with me. I will prove it's Tom like I did you. How can you maintain credibility behind repeatedly changing anonymity? Doehead and QDM MARS aren't anonymous? Why is that? You want your face and Jeep posted all over the place? How about more. Can I get personal Jim? Your ballgame Cmon now. What will your next screen name be on MSF? I know you already have a few on back up so when you get banned you won't be a new member. |
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Post by daappleknocker on Feb 11, 2017 21:21:56 GMT -5
Otto said, "less tan 100 banned". Are we talking MSF or LEG LEG? Bio told me Thursday at the NRC meeting that they have banned over 1500. So..... what is the truth? |
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Post by QDM MARS on Feb 11, 2017 21:28:51 GMT -5
Otto said, "less tan 100 banned". Are we talking MSF or LEG LEG? Bio told me Thursday at the NRC meeting that they have banned over 1500. So..... what is the truth? His answer was for the let em go facebook page . I think from what I have seen that even jim braukers estimation of 1500 is a lowball number . I have seen a ton of people get banned from that page on a regular basis ! |
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Post by OTC-Archer on Feb 11, 2017 23:06:10 GMT -5
Doehead and QDM MARS aren't anonymous? Why is that? You want your face and Jeep posted all over the place? How about more. Can I get personal Jim? Your ballgame Cmon now. What will your next screen name be on MSF? I know you already have a few on back up so when you get banned you won't be a new member. Typical response. Anger ridden nonsense filled with threats. Predictable, and childish. Any screen name is anonymous, unless people know you. Ridge, daAppleknocker, Hartman, QDM MARs, jailbot, Doehead, etc. All no less anonymous than mine, except for those that know you. |
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Post by Dale Malusi on Feb 12, 2017 10:06:51 GMT -5
You want your face and Jeep posted all over the place? How about more. Can I get personal Jim? Your ballgame Cmon now. What will your next screen name be on MSF? I know you already have a few on back up so when you get banned you won't be a new member. Typical response. Anger ridden nonsense filled with threats. Predictable, and childish. Any screen name is anonymous, unless people know you. Ridge, daAppleknocker, Hartman, QDM MARs, jailbot, Doehead, etc. All no less anonymous than mine, except for those that know you. Nice deflection. Of course I am angry! Didn't we go through this same scenario about a year ago? Only then what was your name? FNF FieldnFeathers, FieldnFeatherz, Or something of that nature. Now you are OTCArcher and you are getting away with it on MSF. That's credible. I will explain it to you one more time. I hate anonymous internet trolls just looking for attention. Especially persistent ones that get banned and keep reincarnating themselves. You and BucksandBows are two of them. Well, you were until I exposed you. Hows the weather? |
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Post by Dale Malusi on Feb 12, 2017 11:01:51 GMT -5
Do you really want an example of why I seem so angry Jim?
Try this little tidbit posted on your favorite reincarnation site by Dirtyman, aka BnB BucksnBows Tom C. and now Otto :
"Maybe if you could get Dale, Curtis and Carl to shut their mouths you might gain some respect from the dnr."
Maybe Tom missed the disrespectful reply I recieved from Dr Mason that is posted in the thread on a letter I sent to the NRC.
I hear not one commissioner walked out on Jim Sweeney at the NRC meeting this Thursday. Too bad that couldn't be said about Dr Brauker.
And WTH was that that came out of Tony Smiths mouth? I hear no one else knows either.
We'll see how long before Dirtyman Otto becomes some body else again.
I give you credit though, you are persistent.
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Post by OTC-Archer on Feb 12, 2017 11:09:26 GMT -5
Yes, I understand completely. When you're unable to effectively debate the message, you choose to attack the "messenger"; whether that be Bio, Thomas, Tony, FarmLegend, Pinefarm, Fairfax, or anyone you don't agree with. Many of which also anonymous, by the way. When someone responds to your attacks, you get defensive, angry, and threaten.
I truly dont wish to argue with you. I tried joining here over one year ago. I was banned before even posting. Steve knows who I am, yet I'm still posting on MSF. What does that tell you?
Good day.
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Post by otto on Feb 12, 2017 12:15:44 GMT -5
Such anger on this site.
I wish you all the best.
I was incorrect on the number of bannings on let em go.
It is exactly 1784 bans.
According to administrators 90% weren't against aprs but were banned for behavior issues.
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Post by Dale Malusi on Feb 12, 2017 13:03:28 GMT -5
Yes, I understand completely. When you're unable to effectively debate the message, you choose to attack the "messenger"; whether that be Bio, Thomas, Tony, FarmLegend, Pinefarm, Fairfax, or anyone you don't agree with. Many of which also anonymous, by the way. When someone responds to your attacks, you get defensive, angry, and threaten. I truly dont wish to argue with you. I tried joining here over one year ago. I was banned before even posting. Steve knows who I am, yet I'm still posting on MSF. What does that tell you? Good day. Jim, you have repeatedly criticized and demeaned me, why should I give you one ounce of respect? It has been going on now for what 3-4 years? By how many different names? You have ZERO credibility with me and never will. According to Otto the MSF forums are a thing of the past, Steve needs you. Enjoy the weather down there in sunny Arizona and give my regards to the family. |
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Post by swampy on Feb 13, 2017 0:37:18 GMT -5
You want your face and Jeep posted all over the place? How about more. Can I get personal Jim? Your ballgame Cmon now. What will your next screen name be on MSF? I know you already have a few on back up so when you get banned you won't be a new member. Typical response. Anger ridden nonsense filled with threats. Predictable, and childish. Any screen name is anonymous, unless people know you. Ridge, daAppleknocker, Hartman, QDM MARs, jailbot, Doehead, etc. All no less anonymous than mine, except for those that know you. Interesting, none of those guys over there know me, although some think they do. Kind of amusing really. |
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Post by ridge on Feb 13, 2017 1:14:40 GMT -5
I could care less that people know who I am. I am too old, too ornery, and too poor to give a rat's back 40 about who knows me.
Otto, if we were as democratic as the radical pro-restriction regulation group, you would already be banned. It is sad that your group has to selectively control it by limiting who may speak. That sounds like another country to me. That facebook page shows that being divisive is what that group wants. They divide and separate people from the get go. It is an elitist group that wants deer hunting only for the elite, which they and only they will define and choose.
I see little hope for deer hunting in this state if MARs wins their self-declared war on the rest of the hunting community. I know a great many people from around the state and my family has an extensive history in this state going almost back to the beginning. A lot of hunters have already left deer hunting because they see no deer (notice I did not say big bucks) and because of the state of fees and negativism in deer hunting. Many more will leave if MAPRs become enacted state-wide.
My life has been largely that which was working with young people. The argument that young people are pushing for MAPRs is just not so. Those that believe the media trophy hype and those that have radical MAPR mentors may just do that. However I know a great many young people that will leave the sport of deer hunting if MAPRs are enacted. As they say there is just too much else to do, to do something that regulates you from being successful much of the time and that is so negative. They hate being put down when they post a picture or talk about a deer that they have taken. They get it from your side whether it is a buck that is too small in the eyes of your group or whether it is a nice buck because there are many in your group that says, "they should not shoot bucks" because they might take my buck. It is all nonsense and the young see it and know it sometimes quicker than we old goats.
I, too, have a facebook page. It is not about hunting although a comment or post on that would be welcome. It is a page for a Parkinson's patients and their caregivers. The Facebook site is constantly after me for money so that I might get more members. Your claim that membership is not about money is just not true. I know others that have been badgered in the same way. That site is wealthy due to advertisements and membership buying.
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Post by OTC-Archer on Feb 13, 2017 11:09:01 GMT -5
Interesting, none of those guys over there know me, although some think they do. Kind of amusing really. Excellent example of what I was speaking of Carl. Even when people know who you are, they may not know you. The anonymity argument is weak IMHO. The majority of forum posters are completely anonymous. |
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Post by jimmer on Feb 13, 2017 11:56:11 GMT -5
I can say all the putdowns of the youth is one of the reasons I KNOW the MARs guys are just spewing bs when they keep making the claim the youth are on their side. From my firsthand experience the youth are being driven away from deer hunting over being treated like s*** from the MARs guys . Many who first were proud of the bucks they shot now really don't care about hunting much an more after the cruel way they were treated on social media by the MARs crowd . Even on the tipp of the mitt QDMA facebook page where the youth are allowed to post their "sparkies" they are not invited to the QDMA big buck night to have their deer aged by the DNR and have it entered into the manipulated check station data!  |
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Post by otto on Feb 13, 2017 16:46:58 GMT -5
I can say all the putdowns of the youth is one of the reasons I KNOW the MARs guys are just spewing bs when they keep making the claim the youth are on their side. From my firsthand experience the youth are being driven away from deer hunting over being treated like s*** from the MARs guys . Many who first were proud of the bucks they shot now really don't care about hunting much an more after the cruel way they were treated on social media by the MARs crowd . Even on the tipp of the mitt QDMA facebook page where the youth are allowed to post their "sparkies" they are not invited to the QDMA big buck night to have their deer aged by the DNR and have it entered into the manipulated check station data! That is not true. All youths were invited. I have the letter that was sent to all youths. |
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Post by Dale Malusi on Feb 13, 2017 20:05:19 GMT -5
Typical response. Anger ridden nonsense filled with threats. Predictable, and childish. Any screen name is anonymous, unless people know you. Ridge, daAppleknocker, Hartman, QDM MARs, jailbot, Doehead, etc. All no less anonymous than mine, except for those that know you. Interesting, none of those guys over there know me, although some think they do. Kind of amusing really. Same here. Only I should say have seen me in person. Only Tony and Bio have looked me eye to eye, but they didn't know it was me at the time, they knew it was me after that. Bio just gave me a dirty look the first time I saw him, I guess I should have put on better clothes. Tony totally ignored me until the Limpd meeting in West Branch. His response to my question started with "Dale, right?" I think that if an anonymous person can personally attack you on the internet, they are fair game for you to find them and do the same. |
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Post by jimmer on Feb 13, 2017 21:24:52 GMT -5
I can say all the putdowns of the youth is one of the reasons I KNOW the MARs guys are just spewing bs when they keep making the claim the youth are on their side. From my firsthand experience the youth are being driven away from deer hunting over being treated like s*** from the MARs guys . Many who first were proud of the bucks they shot now really don't care about hunting much an more after the cruel way they were treated on social media by the MARs crowd . Even on the tipp of the mitt QDMA facebook page where the youth are allowed to post their "sparkies" they are not invited to the QDMA big buck night to have their deer aged by the DNR and have it entered into the manipulated check station data! That is not true. All youths were invited. I have the letter that was sent to all youths. I have to call BS again . All any one has to do is go and read through the bucks posted on their page and any one can see the truth . The adults that posted pics of themselves with big bucks were invited and encouraged to bring them to the big buck nights so the DNR could age them and enter that data to pad the check station data in the QDMA's favor to show how well MARs were working . At the same time the kids posting their smaller bucks were allowed to post them but were not invited and encouraged to bring them to be aged and have the data entered. Now you come up with a cover story that the youths were sent letters inviting them instead of putting it in their post on their page like they did with the adults posting bigger older bucks  . Why send letters ( I don't think any one really believes that story )when it could have been done in the postings on their page like was done with the big buck posters  Trust me those kids noticed how their bucks were treated different . |
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