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Post by Dale Malusi on Apr 13, 2017 19:50:12 GMT -5
He seems to think they are a bad idea.
PBS has a show, Ask The Specialists. This week is Ask The DNR.
A question was raised about when N. MI would see Maprs.
Russ seems to think they are bad idea. He said there may be more restrictions in the NE to lower the population due to bTb.
He said the NW12 restrictions were sunsetting this year also, whatever that means.
So I have a feeling that legleg doesn't have a very sturdy leg to stand on at this point in time.
Maybe Russ hasn't seen our foremost deer biologists' presentation proving him wrong.
Dr Brauker is a wildlife biologist is he not? I tried googling him and mostly some business comes up pertaining to mutilating trees.
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Post by OTC Archer on Apr 14, 2017 1:13:58 GMT -5
What he said was that further restrictions on buck harvest in the TB zone will be taken to incentivize increased antlerless harvest. Which, by the way, is exactly what Jim Brauker spoke of being a better decision in regards to disease management. So yes, they are listening, and will continue to do so.
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Post by Dale Malusi on Apr 14, 2017 7:30:39 GMT -5
So if you watched the show you know what else he said.
It's guys like him that will shape and create future game management. Not a bunch of keyboard jockeys that question everything simply because it disagrees with their own bias or perceived knowledge on the subject.
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Post by OTC Archer on Apr 14, 2017 10:34:50 GMT -5
It's guys like him that will shape and create future game management. Not a bunch of keyboard jockeys that question everything simply because it disagrees with their own bias or perceived knowledge on the subject. Your quote is my words regarding Jim Brauker. While you guys are busy playing patty cake and sharing anger driven nonsense, others are working on making a difference for deer hunting in Michigan. Guys like Jim will be tasked with the research needed to make responsible decisions moving forward. Best practices are perpetually changing, and new information regarding CWD becomes available consistently. The burden of responsible deer management decisions isn't going to fall on my shoulders, and it most certainly won't rest on yours. |
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Post by Dale Malusi on Apr 14, 2017 10:47:06 GMT -5
"Guys like", just not him.
He is a bigot.
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Post by OTC Archer on Apr 14, 2017 10:59:04 GMT -5
"Guys like", just not him. He is a bigot. I rest my case. Keep pounding. Thanks. |
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Post by Dale Malusi on Apr 14, 2017 13:08:22 GMT -5
"Guys like", just not him. He is a bigot.
I rest my case. Keep pounding. Thanks.You are welcome, I make no excuse for my rhetoric. I call them the way I see them. You say you rest your case, just what is your case? What are you trying to prove? I know you want restrictions here in MI, but if it doesn't affect your hunting why try to prove anything? Definition of bigot : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance |
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Post by Dale Malusi on Apr 14, 2017 15:44:54 GMT -5
What he said was that further restrictions on buck harvest in the TB zone will be taken to incentivize increased antlerless harvest. Which, by the way, is exactly what Jim Brauker spoke of being a better decision in regards to disease management. So yes, they are listening, and will continue to do so. Here is exactly what he said; Garner: How long will it be before all of northern Michigan has the antler point restrictions? Mason: Depends on the commission, we make proposals, we'll have to see, the sunset is being considered in the northwest 12, we likely will propose to the commission to put an antler point restriction on the single tag in the northeast, not for antler points per se, but as a TB control strategy to drive up the antlerless harvest but beyond that despite all the interest, we need to understand what the disease picture in southern Michigan is before we talk about more apr's, quite frankly anywhere.. Garner: you got to put it on hold until you can figure out the disease. Mason: Yup So for the TB zone they likely will propose a small change. Quite frankly I didn't hear him say they were going to do that for the CWD zone. Or anywhere else. |
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Post by OTC Archer on Apr 14, 2017 16:28:17 GMT -5
I rest my case. Keep pounding. Thanks.You are welcome, I make no excuse for my rhetoric. I call them the way I see them. You say you rest your case, just what is your case? What are you trying to prove? I know you want restrictions here in MI, but if it doesn't affect your hunting why try to prove anything? Definition of bigot : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intoleranceI'm fully aware of what a bigot is. I'm also fully aware of what a hypocrite is. You stand on your soap box, full of anger, decrying in a disdainful manner of how bigoted someone is; while at the same time outwardly expressing your own bigotry. Hypocritical as it gets. Strong work. |
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Post by OTC Archer on Apr 14, 2017 16:37:04 GMT -5
Mason: Depends on the commission, we make proposals, we'll have to see, the sunset is being considered in the northwest 12, we likely will propose to the commission to put an antler point restriction on the single tag in the northeast, not for antler points per se, but as a TB control strategy to drive up the antler harvest..... Wrong, as usual. I've never called you a  , as you profess. However, you're making that increasingly difficult. He stated the change was to increase antlerless harvest, not antlered. |
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Post by Dale Malusi on Apr 14, 2017 19:46:38 GMT -5
Bottom line is no new maprs, what are you trying to prove?
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Post by hartman756 on Apr 14, 2017 20:11:36 GMT -5
Long story short is bTB has risen above the %trend before HCMARs was tried as a favor to TLC . They did the same thing as jim brauker is now trying to do ( as usual he is stealing the idea of someone else and claiming it as his own ) The problem with what has been done at TLC is it hasn't even taken care of the bTB they have right there at their club, yet they convinced the USDA to go along with their agenda and it hasn't worked . The shame of the whole thing is bTB can be eliminated as other states have done but for some reason Michigan continues to allow special interest to run the show and not deal with the problem of it in the deer heard once and for all ! |
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Post by Dale Malusi on Apr 14, 2017 20:23:16 GMT -5
Bottom line is......
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Post by OTC Archer on Apr 14, 2017 20:48:00 GMT -5
Long story short is bTB has risen above the %trend before HCMARs was tried as a favor to TLC . They did the same thing as jim brauker is now trying to do ( as usual he is stealing the idea of someone else and claiming it as his own ) The problem with what has been done at TLC is it hasn't even taken care of the bTB they have right there at their club, yet they convinced the USDA to go along with their agenda and it hasn't worked . The shame of the whole thing is bTB can be eliminated as other states have done but for some reason Michigan continues to allow special interest to run the show and not deal with the problem of it in the deer heard once and for all ! I'm trying to figure out who is more delusional, you or Doehead. It's a tight race. |
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Post by ridge on Apr 14, 2017 21:05:06 GMT -5
The DNR person in charge of disease has said that 2-3 does were found positive with Btb inside the TLC. That would give them a rate higher than the surrounding areas when one takes in account the acreage that they have. That begs the question, why would anyone want to imitate their deer strategy.
Sunset usually means that a set of regulations are ending. It will be up to the DNR whether to recommend to continue MAPRs or not. The present process says that if the NRC votes to continue that they will become a permanent regulation in the NW 13. That would be a tragedy. For the sake of hunting, I hope that a moratorium is made or that the NW revote is turned down regardless of the survey results which will be made known next month along with the DNR recommendation.
The meeting will be stacked to the ceiling with pro-MAPR people from those restriction love groups. Somehow we need to get some people to speak at that meeting. It is obvious that given that the meeting will be on the west side of the state, the audience will be filled with pro-MAPR to make a demonstration of how many people want MAPRs.
I think the April meeting is on the MUCC site. [WRONG I AM, THEY TOOK IT OFF OR AT LEAST I CAN NOT FIND IT.]
As in Missouri, Arkansas, and Wisconsin, if MAPRs are allowed to continue, CWD will spread. Can anyone imagine what will happen if CWD moves far enough to be within reach of the Btb area and then gets into the Btb area. The deer herd will be next to destroyed IMO but at least the pro-restriction folks will have enough antlers to fill their walls by then. They are the most selfish groups of folks that I have witnessed.
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Post by swampy on Apr 15, 2017 0:01:08 GMT -5
He seems to think they are a bad idea. PBS has a show, Ask The Specialists. This week is Ask The DNR. A question was raised about when N. MI would see Maprs. Russ seems to think they are bad idea. He said there may be more restrictions in the NE to lower the population due to bTb. He said the NW12 restrictions were sunsetting this year also, whatever that means. So I have a feeling that legleg doesn't have a very sturdy leg to stand on at this point in time. Maybe Russ hasn't seen our foremost deer biologists' presentation proving him wrong. Dr Brauker is a wildlife biologist is he not? I tried googling him and mostly some business comes up pertaining to mutilating trees. He is a molecular biologist, not a wildlife biologist |
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Post by Dale Malusi on Apr 15, 2017 8:23:28 GMT -5
Mason: Depends on the commission, we make proposals, we'll have to see, the sunset is being considered in the northwest 12, we likely will propose to the commission to put an antler point restriction on the single tag in the northeast, not for antler points per se, but as a TB control strategy to drive up the antler harvest..... Wrong, as usual. I've never called you a , as you profess. However, you're making that increasingly difficult. He stated the change was to increase antlerless harvest, not antlered. My bad, I went back and put those four letters where they belong. Carry on |
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Post by OTC Archer on Apr 15, 2017 8:37:04 GMT -5
He is a molecular biologist, not a wildlife biologist And you are neither. Maybe you should stand up at the next NRC meeting and explain to them how his research or expert opinion doesn't count because he's only a molecular biologist. LOL! |
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Post by Dale Malusi on Apr 15, 2017 9:36:47 GMT -5
He is a molecular biologist, not a wildlife biologist And you are neither. Maybe you should stand up at the next NRC meeting and explain to them how his research or expert opinion doesn't count because he's only a molecular biologist. LOL! When is the last time you went to an NRC meeting and stood up for anything? |
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Post by OTC Archers on Apr 15, 2017 10:26:39 GMT -5
And you are neither. Maybe you should stand up at the next NRC meeting and explain to them how his research or expert opinion doesn't count because he's only a molecular biologist. LOL! When is the last time you went to an NRC meeting and stood up for anything? Multiple times over the years. Mostly Lansing meetings due to being closer to home. Some of us do actually participate rather than bang away at keyboards. You should try it. I'm sure your angry outbursts will be well received. |
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Post by Dale Malusi on Apr 15, 2017 10:47:23 GMT -5
Typical reply.
When was the last time you attended an NRC meeting and stood up for anything?
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Post by OTC Archer on Apr 15, 2017 14:01:38 GMT -5
Typical reply. When was the last time you attended an NRC meeting and stood up for anything? Last attended July 2016 in Lansing. Last spoke in 2013-2014 in Lansing. How about you Dale? Outside of public outbursts, have you ever presented to the NRC? |
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Post by Dale Malusi on Apr 15, 2017 19:38:59 GMT -5
I am sure you are proud of your accomplishments. When you said over the years I had to laugh, the NRC has only been here for a couple few years. But lets get back to, He is a molecular biologist, not a wildlife biologist.
What gives him all of this credibility?
He is doing all of his research with a bias.
It seems to me Dr Mason is a wildlife biologist, he said "frankly" for a reason.
And he said this after the NRC meeting.
It's guys like him that will shape and create future game management. Not a bunch of keyboard jockeys that question everything simply because it disagrees with their own bias or perceived knowledge on the subject.
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Post by hamskea on Apr 15, 2017 21:04:26 GMT -5
I am sure you are proud of your accomplishments. When you said over the years I had to laugh, the NRC has only been here for a couple few years. A couple of years? You really aren't serious are you? |
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Post by OTC Archer on Apr 15, 2017 21:06:34 GMT -5
I am sure you are proud of your accomplishments. When you said over the years I had to laugh, the NRC has only been here for a couple few years. A couple of years? You really aren't serious are you? I was thinking the same thing. LOL! |
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Post by daappleknocker on Apr 16, 2017 8:13:53 GMT -5
I've been attending Natural Resources Commission meetings since 2008 and I know they were around well before I got involved. |
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Post by swampy on Apr 16, 2017 8:33:20 GMT -5
The NRC replaced the conservation commission, as a result of the Mich. Natural resources and environmental protection act.
Which was the result of Prop G of 1996. I believe the commission in its current form first appeared in late 1998 or early '99
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Post by OTC Archer on Apr 16, 2017 9:39:55 GMT -5
The NRC replaced the conservation commission, as a result of the Mich. Natural resources and environmental protection act. Which was the result of Prop G of 1996. I believe the commission in its current form first appeared in late 1998 or early '99 The Naural Resources Commission was present prior to that. Governor Engler abolished air and water commissions, giving the governor the power to name chair of the NRC in 1991. I think what you're thinking of is when Engler split the DNR into two agencies in 1995, which created the new Department of Environmental Quality. A form of the NRC, called the Conservation Commission was formed and protected by the MUCC in 1937. In 1969, the Department of Conservation became our current Department of Natural Resources, though it had additional functions at that time. Regardless of the timeline, the NRC has been around more than "a couple few years". |
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Post by Dale Malusi on Apr 16, 2017 10:25:54 GMT -5
But lets get back to, He is a molecular biologist, not a wildlife biologist.
What gives him all of this credibility?
He is doing all of his research with a bias.
It seems to me Dr Mason is a wildlife biologist, he said "frankly" for a reason.
And he said this after the NRC meeting.
It's guys like him that will shape and create future game management. Not a bunch of keyboard jockeys that question everything simply because it disagrees with their own bias or perceived knowledge on the subject.
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Post by OTC Archer on Apr 16, 2017 10:54:44 GMT -5
But lets get back to, He is a molecular biologist, not a wildlife biologist. What gives him all of this credibility? I'm curious, do you understand where the study of CWD or bTB originates? What type of science will be used in the future to ascertain best practices regarding disease? What scientists will be working on this? Molecular Biology is important because it forms the conceptual basis that is applied through many different areas. This includes, but is not limited to, biology, medicine, pharmaceuticals, environment..... and yes, wildlife study. |
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, as you profess. However, you're making that increasingly difficult.
