In response to a misguided poster

[Dale Malusi]

He writes;
"But it will never improve michigan enough to keep serious big buck hunters from leaving the state where the grass is and has been much greener for a much longer time."

[Dale Malusi]

[bucksnbows]

So you are saying MAPR's will create the the type of hunting that will keep hunters from leaving the state?
Because I said just the opposite.
But hey if they will work that good great.

All along you guys keep saying pro apr guys are trying to create an iowa in Michigan, then one prof apr guy says aprs will never do that you call me misguided.

Dale I think you just enjoy arguing.

I mean really look at this thread you started and half your posts on this site.

All you do is attack.
My post you are referencing here wasn't derogatory in any way. It was absolutely the truth.

Then you come back with silly pictures in a response. It doesn't even make sense to argue what I said. You should agree with it.
MAPR's will make very little impact on creating the type of hunting that is found in other Midwestern states. They will protect a good portion of yearling bucks and they may advance some to older age classes but beyond that.....the things that factor into what makes big buck hunting better in other states can not be controlled with MAPR's.
Do I believe Michigan could be better in that aspect? Yes.
Do I think more hunters will kill their biggest buck to date due MAPR's? Yes

Do I believe they will help benefit a guy like me who puts in enormous amounts of time pursuing mature bucks? Yes

But I don't believe mature bucks will be behind every tree or become any easier to hunt beyond maybe more encounters with them.
There may be some guys who think MAPR's will create an iowa type experience but there are also people who thought crossbows were going to ruin bow hunting.
Neither are true.

[Dale Malusi]

My point is the grass will never be green enough for this poster.

[Dale Malusi]

Feb 27, 2016 18:54:16 GMT -5 bucksnbows said:

So you are saying MAPR's will create the the type of hunting that will keep hunters from leaving the state?
Because I said just the opposite.
But hey if they will work that good great.
I am saying you will never be happy.
All along you guys keep saying pro apr guys are trying to create an iowa in Michigan, then one prof apr guy says aprs will never do that you call me misguided.
I never called you misguided. Maybe a bad speller.
Dale I think you just enjoy arguing.
No I don't.
I mean really look at this thread you started and half your posts on this site.
All you do is attack.
No I don't. You just said half then you say all, which is it???

My post you are referencing here wasn't derogatory in any way. It was absolutely the truth.
That is your opinion.

Then you come back with silly pictures in a response.

 It doesn't even make sense to argue what I said. You should agree with it.
I doesn't? I should?

MAPR's will make very little impact on creating the type of hunting that is found in other Midwestern states. They will protect a good portion of yearling bucks and they may advance some to older age classes but beyond that.....the things that factor into what makes big buck hunting better in other states can not be controlled with MAPR's.
So why use that fact to fight for Mapr's?

Do I believe Michigan could be better in that aspect? Yes.
Do I think more hunters will kill their biggest buck to date due MAPR's? Yes

Do I believe they will help benefit a guy like me who puts in enormous amounts of time pursuing mature bucks? Yes
There's the mashed potatoes.
But I don't believe mature bucks will be behind every tree or become any easier to hunt beyond maybe more encounters with them.
There may be some guys who think MAPR's will create an iowa type experience but there are also people who thought crossbows were going to ruin bow hunting.
Neither are true.

[bucksnbows]

I am happy.
You did call me misguided. The name of the thread says it and you quote me.

I'm not using what I said to promote MAPR's I'm using what I have said in the 8 month old thread where you guys claimed apr suppirters werent happy because they chose to also hunt oit of state to show that just because hunters want or have aprs that there are other reasons to hunt elsewhere... and that aprs will not ever keep the dedicated big buck hunters from pursuing big bucks in other states.

That is what guys like me do.

I will support aprs. I will welcome them. In the end with or without them they will not dictate where or when I decide to hunt.
Regulations do not factor in to where I choose to hunt. I hunt areas I know have the type of hunting I'm after.
It's that simple and there are plenty of hunters who feel the same. So don't be shocked when an Apr supporter heads to another state.

[bucksnbows]

Yes you should agree.
Because I'm telling you aprs will not make michigan turn into iowa.

Do you agree with that?
Do you agree if a hunter wants the Iowa experience he should probably hunt iowa?

Do you agree aprs will not generate a bunch of 3.5 year old or older bucks?

[bucksnbows]

You said that is my opinion.

So it's my opinion. .....again......that aprs will not create an iowa like hunting experience.

OK it may be an opinion.

There are 2 side of that coin.

So with that there are 2 opinions which one sounds more likely....
1. Aprs will not make michigan like iowa
2. Aprs will make michigan like iowa.

[bucksnbows]

And another thing about my happiness.

I am extremely happy.
I experience some outstanding hunting.
I put a couple deer in my freezer every year.
I've been fortunate to have killed 3 big bucks in the past 3 years. (2 Ohio public land 1 michigan private)
I picked up access to over 700 acres of private ground in Michigan either by permission or lease.
I get to hunt out of state.
I'm adding Indiana to my resume this year.
Going to Iowa in 2017.
Filming hunts for a production company.
Had some of my hunts air on tv.
I experience some great hunting every year.....but I work very hard for it.

I don't know any hunter who wouldn't enjoy what I get to experience minus maybe all the hard work that goes into it.

[Dale Malusi]

All this in response to my opinion about green grass.
Amazing.
EDIT:
I don't believe this is who it really is.
BNB if this is really you post on the JLMHD facebook page, If not I'm going have all your posts deleted, as I can't believe you are posting this.

[field-n-feathers]

Feb 28, 2016 17:56:51 GMT -5 Dale Malusi said:

All this in response to my opinion about green grass.
Amazing.
EDIT:
I don't believe this is who it really is.
BNB if this is really you post on the JLMHD facebook page, If not I'm going have all your posts deleted, as I can't believe you are posting this.

Who do you think it is? Me?

Hate to disappoint you, but it's not me.

[Dale Malusi]

Don't flatter yourself.

[field-n-feathers]

Feb 28, 2016 19:24:49 GMT -5 Dale Malusi said:

Don't flatter yourself.

[Dale Malusi]

Feb 28, 2016 9:40:08 GMT -5 bucksnbows said:

And another thing about my happiness.

I am extremely happy.
I experience some outstanding hunting.
I put a couple deer in my freezer every year.
I've been fortunate to have killed 3 big bucks in the past 3 years. (2 Ohio public land 1 michigan private)
I picked up access to over 700 acres of private ground in Michigan either by permission or lease.
I get to hunt out of state.
I'm adding Indiana to my resume this year.
Going to Iowa in 2017.
Filming hunts for a production company.
Had some of my hunts air on tv.
I experience some great hunting every year.....but I work very hard for it.

I don't know any hunter who wouldn't enjoy what I get to experience minus maybe all the hard work that goes into it.

I had a hard time believing you actually wrote this as you don't seem very happy. I apologize for that, as I must be the cause. By the sound of it there are many more out there that have the same feelings for me.
Too bad.
My opinion is that Mapr's are unnecessary.
The percentage of the harvest of 1.5 yr old deer has been falling yearly, and it is around 50%. Take out the NW13 in your research and you will see it is on a downward trend. The NRC has a 50% threshold in their Mapr's process. we are at that now.
Now don't be saying it must be 50% of yearling population, as there is no numbers for that. The DNR does not know how many deer we have.
It sounds like we have to go back to the drawing board and decide how the next inevitable proposals will be designed