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Post by QDM MARS on May 25, 2013 21:05:41 GMT -5
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Post by daappleknocker on Jun 17, 2013 7:31:07 GMT -5
Chris, I don't know where to put this. Maybe you could start a thread of questions we need to start asking our Wildlife Division and the NRC.
My first question is; In Brent Rudolph's presentation at the June 13Th NRC meeting, it was admitted that only 50% of hunters in NLP (zone 2) supported MAR's in the 2012 Annual Deer Harvest Survey, (page 29 of the NRC Policy Committee on Wildlife and Fisheries). My question is; How did they achieve a 68 1/2% approval rate in the NW 12 County MAR's survey? It would be impossible without manipulation, deception, bias and therefore corruption!
If we can't get answers from them, maybe we need to take this to the REAL politicians and the AG.
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Post by QDM MARS on Jun 17, 2013 9:58:13 GMT -5
Curtis
Yes I agree........will try to put something in the private forum later tonight for us to discuss about some strategy on all this.
Brent seemed to indicate to the commissioners that they(the DNR) plan on gathering new data on all this that over the next year...........seems kinde late in the game for that.......either that or he was just telling the commissioners what he thought they wanted to hear.
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Post by daappleknocker on Jun 17, 2013 13:31:49 GMT -5
Chris, I listened to the meeting that my daughter recorded for me. The Wildlife Division, Brent and Russ have been hinting at uniform Mars regulations for some time. This has been supported by statements from NRC Commissioners Rex, J.R. and John Madigan. I trulely believe that they are going to wait until the LPDMI comes before them and then announce a 3 point/4point compromise for the whole state. Many people approve of this agenda even some of the MSH. I do not, and will fight this to the end. I have also been told that MSH have lost support because I am too radical, militant, a loose cannon. I will admitt that I am very passionate about this issue as I was with the baiting issue, the full inclusion of crossbows and the Moose hunt. This issue has not one thing to do with me. I practice voluntary APR's and do not hunt in the NW 12 County area. My objection is to the underhanded approach that the pro-MAR's group has brought to the table, and the corruption that I see happening by the Wildlife Division and some NRC members.
Our problem seems to be money. I have already spent approx. $2500.00 out of my own pocket, (actually my wife has been very generous). I have tried to get as much out of the media as possible but that can dry up fast. Lawyers cost money and the only remedy I see is the Legislature. This issue does not resonate with many people in power.
I think we should try to get support for a memorandum on deer hunting licenses. I have already went on record by saying that if the NW 12 passed I would not purchase a deer hunting license this year. I wonder how much support we could generate in this area. I'm just thinking out loud Chri, thanks for listening. Curtis
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Post by swampy on Jan 14, 2017 22:43:48 GMT -5
I agree that the legislature is the best course of action. I do wonder about the other 4 commissioners also, as far as where they stand.
As far as the legislature, as with the crossbow movement, 1 or more agreeable legislators is a big help. That may be best accomplished by portraying APR's as something not agreeable to 70% of the population, and likely a healthy majority of legislators.
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Post by QDM MARS on Jan 14, 2017 23:56:41 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum swampy  |
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Post by Dale Malusi on Jan 15, 2017 8:05:57 GMT -5
I agree that the legislature is the best course of action. I do wonder about the other 4 commissioners also, as far as where they stand. As far as the legislature, as with the crossbow movement, 1 or more agreeable legislators is a big help. That may be best accomplished by portraying APR's as something not agreeable to 70% of the population, and likely a healthy majority of legislators. Here's one place to start, I got it from the internet so it may not be the 2017 version. www.senate.michigan.gov/committee/natlresources.html As far as the house, no committees have been created yet. A few letters can never hurt, the substance of the letter might if it comes off such as the the rhetoric of the pushers. We just want a fair game. |
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Post by ridge on Jan 15, 2017 20:10:41 GMT -5
daappleknocker, I fully agree with you that MAPRs will be very harmful to deer hunting in this state.
I can not be active at this point because of a family emergency. I will get back here when I can.
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Post by swampy on Jan 15, 2017 23:02:08 GMT -5
I agree that the legislature is the best course of action. I do wonder about the other 4 commissioners also, as far as where they stand. As far as the legislature, as with the crossbow movement, 1 or more agreeable legislators is a big help. That may be best accomplished by portraying APR's as something not agreeable to 70% of the population, and likely a healthy majority of legislators. Here's one place to start, I got it from the internet so it may not be the 2017 version. www.senate.michigan.gov/committee/natlresources.html As far as the house, no committees have been created yet. A few letters can never hurt, the substance of the letter might if it comes off such as the the rhetoric of the pushers. We just want a fair game. |
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Post by swampy on Jan 15, 2017 23:14:12 GMT -5
Well those don't seem to work....
The house committee is, The house natural resources committee.
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Post by Dale Malusi on Jan 16, 2017 9:17:48 GMT -5
Here is the MI Senate Natural Resources Committee members;
Tom Casperson (R) Committee Chair, 38th District
Phil Pavlov (R) Vice Chair, 25th District
David Robertson (R) 14th District
Jim Stamas (R) 36th District
Rebekah Warren (D) Minority Vice Chair, 18th District
From the MI House of Representative website; Committees for the 2017-2018 Legislative Session have not been created.
This is last years list of Natural Resources Committee members;
Andrea LaFontaine (R) Committee Chair, 32nd District
Bruce Rendon (R) Majority Vice-Chair, 103rd District
Anthony Forlini (R) 24th District
Ken Goike (R) 33rd District
Ed McBroom (R) 108th District
Mary Whiteford (R) 80th District
John Kivela (D) Minority Vice-Chair, 109th District
Charles Smiley (D) 50th District
Lauren Plawecki (D) 11th District
Joy Brewer, Committee Clerk
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Post by swampy on Jan 16, 2017 10:14:12 GMT -5
I never realised that Anna Mitterling the co-op coordinator...Is also a qdma staff member.
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Post by Dale Malusi on Jan 16, 2017 13:37:53 GMT -5
QDMA--MAPR--Co-Ops--Lpdmi--SLPDMI..................
All the same pig with different colored lipstick.
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Post by hartman756 on Jan 16, 2017 13:53:02 GMT -5
I never realised that Anna Mitterling the co-op coordinator...Is also a qdma staff member. The question is where her paycheck comes from. Other than that it is pretty clear the DNR and the QDMA are in bed together. |
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Post by daappleknocker on Jan 17, 2017 9:33:15 GMT -5
Doehead, we must be careful when we paint with a broad brush as things can become messy. |
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Post by hlfisher on Jan 18, 2017 20:01:22 GMT -5
Read your article in Woods N Water Curtus, very well put. I just wish I could think of things to say like that and if I could I would write in like that but it seems the more I think about what they are doing to deer hunting the madder I get and then I can not put it in words.
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Post by Dale Malusi on Feb 21, 2017 20:20:01 GMT -5
Here is the MI Senate Natural Resources Committee members; Tom Casperson (R) Committee Chair, 38th District Phil Pavlov (R) Vice Chair, 25th District David Robertson (R) 14th District Jim Stamas (R) 36th District Rebekah Warren (D) Minority Vice Chair, 18th District From the MI House of Representative website; Committees for the 2017-2018 Legislative Session have not been created. This is last years list of Natural Resources Committee members; Andrea LaFontaine (R) Committee Chair, 32nd District Bruce Rendon (R) Majority Vice-Chair, 103rd District Anthony Forlini (R) 24th District Ken Goike (R) 33rd District Ed McBroom (R) 108th District Mary Whiteford (R) 80th District John Kivela (D) Minority Vice-Chair, 109th District Charles Smiley (D) 50th District Lauren Plawecki (D) 11th District Joy Brewer, Committee Clerk Here you go. This years committee. house.michigan.gov/mhrpublic/CommitteeInfo.aspx?comkey=436 |
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Post by ridge on Feb 23, 2017 0:54:03 GMT -5
Looking at that list, my guess is that at best 50% of them would listen to our side of things.
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Post by Dale Malusi on Feb 23, 2017 18:30:59 GMT -5
Now we need to get together on who what when where and how.
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Post by ridge on Feb 23, 2017 18:43:34 GMT -5
We can and most likely should blanket all of them with letters and ideas just in case some on the other side can be swayed. There are definitely some from the west side and one from across the straits that are pretty solidly for MARs but one never knows if there is a chance to move things if they see the majority moving our way. The pressure needs to be made on this committee asap so that the NRC might be influenced to see a big snowball rolling down on them if they vote the wrong way. That is how we did it with the crossbow issue but then we had the chairman of the committee on the crossbow side. I have a lot of doubt as to whether the chairman would go our way this time.
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Post by Dale Malusi on Feb 23, 2017 19:18:52 GMT -5
I will get mine out ASAP to both the house and senate committees.
My neighbor chaired the house AG committee when the crossbows went through.
He is a happily married father of twins now.
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Post by daappleknocker on Feb 23, 2017 19:51:00 GMT -5
Ridge, John Matonich is the Chairman and I believe a very reasonable man. When push comes to shove I believe he will do the right thing for the resource. |
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Post by ridge on Feb 23, 2017 23:00:42 GMT -5
daappleknocker, we are talking about the House Committee for Natural Resources and not the NRC.  |
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Post by swampy on Feb 24, 2017 2:24:42 GMT -5
I have some ideas. Is there a PRIVATE/secure portion of this forum, or can one be created. That was the biggest factor in the crossbow issue. They can not know the what and whens. I am going to try to find out who's who in the current committee's
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